Cool RealOnline research

[mmcnealy]

Surfing through RealOnline tonight, and found this for all my Burgundian/Early German friends..

OK, standard doublet with broad opening and lacing pairs, but there's a red shirt underneath the doublet, except you can see down at the waist that he's really wearing a *white* shirt and the red is just a dickey or a false shirt underneath the laces.

Enthauptung des Hl. Johannes des Täufers
Dieses Bild: 011735
Dokumentation: 1520 ; 1520 ; Levoca ; Slowakei ; Pfarrkirche St. Jakob
http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7012115.JPG

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Then there's this hat, its in the back, red and gold plaid, but the plaid is on the bias. I've seen this older style of hat in various places, and I made one once. I cut it out on the bias because I felt it would give it better stretch and shape. Nice to have my assumption validated in the artwork. :D

Kurtisane erhält am Grab des Hl. Johannes des Almosenspenders ihr Sündenregister getilgt zurück
Dieses Bild: 011722
Dokumentation: 1507 ; 1507 ; Levoca ; Slowakei ; Pfarrkirche St. Jakob
http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7012092.JPG

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I really need to analyze the picture of this woman. Parts of her clothing is very normal, other parts not so much. It is a nice color picture a small size bundelein, and she's wearing an earring. Not sure what's up with the over gown... There are two young boys who are wearing perfectly normal boys clothes for the period.

Taufe des Hl. Paulus durch Ananias
Dieses Bild: 015735
Kunstwerk: Malerei-Holz ; Tafelbild ; Holbein Hans der Ältere (1460/70-1524) ; Augsburg
Dokumentation: 1504 ; 1504 ; Augsburg ; Deutschland ; Schwaben ; Staatsgalerie im Schaezler-Palais ; 5332

Detail of woman at baptism
http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7016946.JPG
Close up of woman's head
http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7016949.JPG

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This is one style of hat I've not seen before, looks like a cross between a Schlappe and a Barett. Its very odd!

Porträt - Lukas oder Hans Rem
Dieses Bild: 015759
Kunstwerk: Malerei-Holz ; Tafelbild ; Porträt ; Beck Leonhard (um 1480-1542)
Dokumentation: 1505 ; 1505 ; Augsburg ; Deutschland ; Schwaben ; Staatsgalerie im Schaezler-Palais ; L 1050
http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7016978.JPG

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More boys clothes, around 3-5 years old I think.
Hl. Sippe
Dieses Bild: 015906
Kunstwerk: Malerei-Holz ; Einrichtung sakral ; Flügelaltar-Sonntagsseite ; Cranach-Vorlage Holzschnitt von 1509 ; Maria1:03:001-011
Dokumentation: 1510 ; 1515 ; Genhofen ; Deutschland ; Bayern ; St. Stephan
Anmerkungen: 64x43 ; Bushart, Bruno (Bearb.), Handbuch der deutschen Kunstdenkmäler, Bayern Bd. 3, Schwaben, o.O. 1989, S. 371
http://tarvos.imareal.oeaw.ac.at/server/images/7017161.JPG

Comments

[ornerie.livejournal.com]

I remember reading an academic paper about how an earring meant "not one of us", ie a jewess or other exotic type. and so, as such, the clothing would have to be looked at as potentially allegorical....

her hair is spot on though :). nothing wierd there!

neato picture...its nice to see thta her braids looped looked much like mine (when mine were my real hair ;))

[frualeydis.livejournal.com]

Great pictures, saved them for future reference.

/Eva

[pinkdiamond.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the Holbein d. A. pic! I have a hard copy in my files somewhere and small b/w of it in a book but have not seen such a nice clear image of it:) Especially of her head.

[mmcnealy.livejournal.com]

There are other closeups of this altarpiece before and after this picture. If you look up the bildnumber in RealOnline, you can check on each side of it.

[mmcnealy.livejournal.com]

I hadn't read that about the earring, but it makes sense. There are several things about that dress that just scream "allegorical", but the head and hair are spot on.

[ornerie.livejournal.com]

if its truley a mix of allegorical and a few elements ("this is how ladies where their hair") that are usable, you're gonna have a bear of a time teasing out which is which!

fun :)

[(Anonymous)]

I think the woman's dress is copied from an earlier painting, Rogier van der Weyden's St Columba Altarpiece, with just a bit updating. The painting can be seen at http://www.wga.hu/html/w/weyden/rogier/11columb/3columb1.html